dads against unfair child support

But life would go on, and the times would be pulled through. I agree!!!! Stops going to daycare? Men should have equal access to their children until its proven they arent worthy of equal time. Its very simple unless youve been the one to pay your exes new car payment while driving ole trusty rusty you have no idea. Sounds like they both made a mistake equally and theyre both paying for it equally. How much are we allowing to occur? I hope for someone to help us but I feel we are only two of thousands stuck in a system thats easily manipulated! I had to move in with family and my closest relative lives close to an hour from my children. And I understand the struggle. My wifes car and a car I did not know was in the driveway. i feel bad for any child who has to be forced to live this way the law makers should be shot!!!!! The problem is too many people are employed in this scam. One point that no one has raised thus far is the universal right to parent a child. In family law, tales of fathers who pay exorbitant child support and rarely get to see their kids are commonplace. He has always had the child 15 days per month and she filed as though he didnt have any overnight stays and with false income information. Having children is. 3. The arearage is now paid and we have only 6 more mos before the child turns 19 thank God. My current wife has 2 teenage boys from her prior relationship. Even if you are not the best parent in the world the government shouldnt be able to take your kids away and hand them over to the other parent. The only way things are going to change is if we collectively and individually make create that change! His current child support was reduced from $649 a month for Jessica to $325 a month and the payments on the back child support were reduced from $400 a month to $150 a month. Child support guidelines are ridiculous. A parent should be able to see their kids if they are paying, paternity testing should be done before payment is received, if arrearages are getting high( then a caseworker should call and ask for a modification). Didnt think so. Feels great doesnt it? Ive had to fight for every cent I received from child support to include being their investigator on the fathers whereabouts, where he worked, where he lived, what he drove etc.. Ive written numerous letters to Judge Carr that fell on death ears. I would tell the court no and that the kid/s need to spend equal time with each parent. I dont tbink I am the only father who has felt this and I dont know how anyone can get through the feeling of the child not wanting to spend time with them. Im paying basically double that 801 a month for 2 teenage kids. Him, not their mom who receives the cs. This creates a financial incentive for states to order sole custody with the lower earning parent, and to restrict the noncustodial parents access to their children because it increases the gross amount of child support collected. 25% means you have more than one child with that person because its only 20% if you have one child. Imagine having to come home from work to cook dinner, clean, help with homework (and those science projects take some effort) and spend a little quality time with the kids before heading to bed, then waking up to do it all over again the next day!!! Id wash my hands and make me and them dinner, put in laundry then go to bed. The current system DOES NOT incorporate the rights of the person who has to provide Child Support; more often than not, they say, Provide or youll be labeled a dead beat piece of shit, your wages will be garnished and youll likely be thrown out on the street because you have no money, but we dont give a shit. CS and spousal supprt etc., is considered in your overall ability or inabilitty to pay your debts off and your financial burden. In every state. To make it worse, my daughter, was diagnosed at the age of 10 with a brain tumor and severe brain swelling. We could split the cost of the 4 days or better yet split the time and make it an even 50/50. Rent should be taken out of the equation,both parents need a place to live and see there children,to me this is the biggest flaw in child support,I had full custody of my daughter since 5 her mom paid me $150 a month thats it. I dont understand why we should be financially responsible for her at our house and when shes at her mothers. Sad truth and when I think about it all.I just say its not forever and when my kids are grown they will learn about this from myself and hopefully not put themselves in this position. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. Luckily I was medically discharged before the courts could decide how much child support I would have to pay as an E-4, so now unemployed they charged me to pay what someone making minimum wage would pay. All us good dads want is a voice to be heard and change in this messed up system. These guidelines are applied unless a party can show that the application of the . If support needs to be extended due to them still being in school, or going to college, as some states allow support to continue for, you can call the state, and they will reinstate it for you. By that time maintenance to wife and kid has started and he is drained off all his money. So it isnt about whats best for the kid? Men have complete control. This debt of mineis all interest on a balance that shouldve never existed in the first place. Using absolutes makes you look less credible as nobody all the time, nor every person is the same. His support order is $750 a month. I pay $1,741 per month for two kids when the mother makes over $140k a year. I got my kids back after about a month. I am so thankful for our ability to not use our child as a weapon or greed. Those payments run from tens of millions to hundreds of millions of $$ per year. I just want to take a moment to thank you for your post. Because uncle sam takes another 30% from my wages, I dont have the option to be involved in my childrens life as much as I would like. Sometimes, I am confued whether we (India) copied laws from India or US copied our laws. . Ladies, sometimes it is with walking away and getting away. Bravo! Under child support law, child maintenance must be paid to the parent with the main day-to-day care of the child. Someone that wants too fight NOT complain.. 215-626-2504. N they gave us a week to make a payment an have it show up in there system when it takes a couple weeks to process it which sounds like they dont care if she makes the payment or not. One was 17 at the time, another 14, and another 7. The courts need to take into account all of the other broad complexities of a situation.. For example the federal governmetn says 12,000 a year is plenty for a single person to live off of, and then they have other numbers for familes with 1,2 or more children on what a single or family should be able to live off of. Judges dont get to know every case there are just to many and to them its only a job and they could care less if you are struggling due to an idoit you were once involved with,you are only a paycheck to judges and lawyers and they sure dont give a crap about the child. Look outside the little bubble of your life and understand that people that have less in life still have children and bad things happen to people. Thats a different story. Could you contact me via email, I have some questions that I am sure you could lend me some advice on. So just like every other tax-man I have ever met you are woefully uninformed and clearly do not have a gasp of real life sufficient to comment on real world matters. Child Support. Quite honestly, if the custody was more level, my daughter would actually see the child support money forked over to go spend foolishly. That is all beside the point. Aurora; I completely agree with you. I said he was a great dad and does everything he needed to. Billionaire William Buffett was asked recently, What is the MOST important to be successful in life? However, they would not retro the payments and elimate the arrears so he still owes almost 20k in arrears which, is ridiculous. You could even not tell the guy til the kid is 17ish then get him for back child support. Yes, he did say child support was a game plan for women and in his case that might be true. I had to do this transfer because all 3 kids are now off of support, BUT I am responsible for filing to remove them rather than them coming off automatically.I live in Tennessee, and at 18, the kids are removed automatically by the state. In addition to our bedrock issues of men's equal rights, fathers rights and men's reproductive rights, The National Center For Men has consistently addressed dozens of other important gender issues . I Agree..It was not my choice to get divorced I have 1.5 masters degrees in nursing now. Not a chance as they will say Im fully capable of making the money I once did! Im currently saving money to take her to court and get shared custody, because Im afraid of trying to get full custody which is just down right impossible, which in Texas it damn near is. The mother always used the child as a weapon prior to the legal matters being settled and now she doesnt have a leg to stand on. She controls with money and has lied about receiving payments as revenge for us remarrying. but going back to your point is that I think if a women who has 3 kids and receives $287 a month then any other women can make it. He makes alot of money and doesnt need CS IS an argument in the courts right now; in fact its how CS is determined. The children should solely be with mom for consistency and stability. Below is a comment I read on an article about . Remember that child support is very important to the courts, and, regardless of personal circumstances and how tough times are, judges expect parents to do what it takes to financially support their kids. I have a great job. Childrrn that grow up with constant dipport but no contact, develop issues in most situations. Anyway, when we finally did break up, I had received a notice, claiming that I owe 16,000 in back pay. without any financial help. He was nearly jailed over being $2,000 behind on his oldest daughter, yet however he has custody of his second daughter and her mother, though working full time making $12/hr, was allowed to not only become delinquent without issue but then also reduce her payments to $10/mo. She wouldnt even let me come see my daughter. The US Justice Department said in a 9 page memo that incarceration for court fees and fines is against the law.The Federal Government contradicts itself in Child Support Regulations though?????! I did NOT include rent, extracurricular activities, cell phone bill, or clothing. The one that does live with me costs me $900 a month. Women plead for EQUAL RIGHTS yet all I see is condemnation of men. Both man and woman decide to take responsibility of that action equally. Thank you!! I am a single mom of 4 (raised and on their own). Children need both parents together for that to happen. I take care of my daughter. Not only did my father fill my mind with false claims about my mother, he also brought her to court countless times over what he viewed as an unfair child support arrangement. I literally cant afford car insurance, gas, electric or food. Child support cases really arent handled on a case by case basis but some stupid formula that revolves around money. I can say hes father and i have a healthy relationship not that i wouldnt need the help.But my son is far more inportant that to put him in stress of seeing me and hes father arguing for money . Who cheated or asked for the divorce isnt relevant, it has nothing to do with taking care of your child. Its like I know that I have to get up and work harder so my kids can have what they want. I left I did not wake them. And the father of your child seems like the mother of my children, she tries to control my household and finances. Child support is effectively a blackmail or extortion system whereby the state takes you children unconstitutionally, and then uses that excuse to charge you extortion fees weekly for the privilege of NOT having your children! I have to pay child support in the amount of money I would have spent on them while not in my custody. The Judge asks my council to hold a telecon with my exs council in the Judges chambers. But all water under the bridge 20 years of my life and over 700k nwt income spent on nothing. Financially it was a hardship, I could not pay my bills, moved back in with my mother, filed bankruptcy etc, while still attempting to correct this child support issue. 3 talking about this. Before I say my opinion let me first say that able body men should pay their child support . Morally and ethically maybe but the government should not be mandating how or if someone raises their kid. He tried to be as involved as he was allowed. Please support reform laws in your state and at the federal level! I went to court she didnt bring any paystubs showing she only made that much. When my ex physically punched me several times in the back of the head while 6 months pregnant, what police officer would believe me. How Can a Child Support Lawyer Help? It leaves young fathers in confusion and a state of helplessness. Dont have children. Lord knows he isnt supplying anything. There are MANY things wrong with the child support system, that need to be changed, starting by making laws uniform across the state, allowing it to be a pre-tax reduction for the person who pays it, a unified stopping point where the non-custodial parent is removed from paying without having to spend the time or money to have to go to court to get it stopped, etc. Am I wrong for not communicating with him at all? Child Support laws are outdated and need to change. it took them 3 weeks to even decide to allow me visitation..because of her plan and how she played the victim card..i dont have the money to sue for perjury. 4. but then i dare you to speak the truth not just your truth. custodial parents are kidnappers. Like that just happens, she used his money and swindling the government for it. Child support seems unfair, but every good parent gives every cent he or she can to raise children. He hasnt filed an income tax since 1997. There are a lot of valid points being made in this conversation. The other reason why I didnt take her to court because the judicial system is all in favor of the woman and not the kids or fathet. He can keep sleeping on his mothers couch and taking public transportation (his license was revoked after a year of non-payment. The breadwinner's wishes for child custody. But goes to Vegas and Cancun all the time.. and when he takes the kid , he makes him babysit so he and his new wife can go and get drunk on a bar and party. False allegations of abuse. Im pretty sure they target the weak cause they know someone else would find a way out or they know someone in child support an they let them go. Youre right though, hes brilliant (obviously you knew this when you had unprotected sex with him) all he had to do was get locked up for 8 years now he gets to kick back, have fun and not pay you. 2. I dont care if you are a man, you would be ordered to be tested. And wont be able to really have my own place because my child support is so high. It is the childs money. He went off and got married, now he has 23 kids. Home / Articles / 4 Problems With The Modern Child Support System. in the priveleged call, the judge urges my exs council to setlle out of court immediately, otherwise should my ex show up in court, the judge would be forced to hold my ex accountable for all of the aforementioned malfeasence. The only thing that can again make the equation equal, is the ability of the man to decide if hes willing to be responsible financially and supportively for the child. I took the charge to stand up for my right to visit my kids. We will not be hurting anymore. I pay most of the summer camp and after school care cause she needs to work for a living. He paid her 735 while he was in the military he got injured in the military now he is a disabled vet and despite multiple attempts to get this amount modified they havent followed through with it for these past 10 years . The courts need to have a better way of enforcing and calculating payments. He played disappearing acts, staying away for two tho three days. I pay what I can when I can but I wont be able to work at all if this happens and my girlfriend cant afford to support us both and shouldnt have to if the courts would follow the law and calculate the arrears and payments based on my actual adjusted gross income. We are being unfairly treated.. Im a contractor and had my exs lawyer trying to use my wages before deductions for the child support calculation As in before all the materials,fuel, and subcontractors I had paid out of it for the year. Because I chose to be a good father and a decent husband, maybe thats too boring for some women. They just want money. Ive spent the last day and a half searching the internet for some sort of solution and so far all Ive found is a bunch of policies that make sense on the surface but lack the emotional depth necessary to determine a fair shake for everyone involved. For the first few years, things were good. Which means, even if the husband knows that the kid is not from him, he is bound to pay maintenance. His responsibilities to the child begin at conception and can only be terminated with the females decision to abort the fetus or with the mothers decision to give the child up for adoption. Please let me know . I have paid over 80000 in child support in 14 years and about 5000 for depositions and another 20000 for lawyers. I am in KS and was told by multiple lawyers that if she didnt want 50/50 then the judge wasnt going to order it even though that was the direction of the legislature. Ive been paying, lost my job, got behind, live in a different state. So mother gets custodydad paysand the states gets a kickback from the feds. Women can get wic, medicaid, and snap (food stamps). She told them due to all her disabilities she had to apply for ssi an they dont care they say she still has to work even though alot of professionals told her that she cant. The insanity did not stop until I declared BANKRUPTCY the best option out there to stop the bleeding and financial harassment.My opinion examine your total ex spousal obligations with a bankruptcy attorney . As a woman you have many non pemanent options for BC first off, guy get condoms that can be tampered with by people searching for a paycheck,not saying you did this but many do. While a minor is taking care of another minor home alone at night.. We refused to put that in divorce decree because if we were still married nobody could make us pay, so why should being divorced change that? No government should ever get in the way of this fundamental right to parent your own children. In georgia there is a fatherhood program, which helps dads find work to catch up their support. Sounds fair to me but in the one sided battle it aint gonna happen! Now he is labeled a deadbeat dad . My fiance currently pays 800 a month for 4 kids, order was placed about 2 years this August, divorced took about 4 years, now 2 of the kids are grown, both graduating from high school in May(shes spending about 3000 for the after party, she posted it over facebook about how their father should helped), the other 2 are 15 and 16. I spent a few thousand dollars (outside of support) on my children each year, but that wasnt taken into account. I further tried all my best to get him back but all my effort to get him back in my life did not work out. You obviously Madea bad choice in men because I know fathers in almost every state in this country would jump at that opportunity if for no other reason than to be with their children more than every other week and a couple of hours on Wednesday in the off week. Neither parent should benefit from the arrangement, only the child. SMH at all the ridiculous complaining on these boards whether the CP (usually Mom) is working or not. He showed up for both brain surgeries and one visit after. She is fully capable of make $85+k per year in our state doing the proffesion she went to college for. I had a daughter with my now ex wife while in the service, she decided to divorce me on my first deployment without discussing it with me before I left. What you can do is move out of your grandmothers basement and try to provide a stable environment for your child instead of depending on them to raise your child. Thats hypocrisy, and insane. Fathers who feel like the rules are more about the. I apply for food stamps and am DENIED because I am just at their income limit because they DONT COUNT CHILD SUPPORT PAYMENTS!! Because hes a guy he needs to be treated badly?!? SMHeven the judge said WOW! As far as their concerned, the system isnt broke, infact it just fine. Since both parents have a duty to support, the parent who isnt taking care of the child has to pay back the welfare. You only have one kid and you can barely afford it but hes supposed to support you too? Child support dont care about anyone they have no hearts they just want to be cruel to random people. I now make half of what i did when my ex started her plan, I cant provide for myself anymore, much less let my kids to experience a great time when I have them, other than juat the love i can give them,but sometimes that just isnt enough for them at rhia point as little kids, they dont know all about the deep down love I have but they do know we dont get to do a whole lot or have a whole lot when they are with me, and as little kids that is important to them. Its not about male or female. Murphy discusses cases in which legal fathers resort to violence or threats of violence against a mother and her children when child support orders are enforced against them. To the receiver it is awesome. In the meantime, their support payments are a fraction of what it costs to raise their children. My ex is 47. If the mother makes less $500/moth and is ordered to pay, that equals $50 for the state. None of that matters in my support payments. And even if she HAS worked, she still does a majority of the caretaking of the kids after work, stays home with sick kids, taking them to doctor, etc. If the mother has no income, the state gets nothing (10% of 0 = $0). This would motivate lazy parent to work. I agree about that the loss of freedom to do whatever whenever by the custodial parent. The child support agency in Virginia says I have to continue to pay her the same amount because we have a unitary order instead of an per order, we were never married and all the stuff I have read says in VA 18 or graduates. Unless you have a child with a millionaire and you live a little below middle class. If your child's other parent is not making regular child support payments, you can call the Iowa Child Support Recovery Unit's Office for help at 1-888-229-9223. But states wont make money on reform so I doubt it ever happens. But what most dont know is thisstate CSEAs are provided a financial incentive and reimbursement from the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT for the money they process (anyone else pay a processing fee?). The parents should decide together how to pay for the kids extras, and the few required expenses should be covered by a legal agreement to split the costs. Good luck to you. Taxmanyou work at IRS? Whenever OAG messes up my payments and I call them, Im treated like a deadbeat father. Isnt that a two way street. This blows my wife has 400k trust fund her dad pays her13 k to be in a band she has a part timing gig at weight watchers only to make 25 k a minimum here her dad did our taxes for years and he has pumped thousand of dollars over the years as gifted money. How dare u turn a page to help fathers again into a women victims bullshit. CHANGE NEEDS TO HAPPEN!! It matters because its disproportionate.. She loses nothing, essentially, while the fathers salary is now roughly 20k less. This process actually made me consider going back to school to practice family law just so I can advocate for fathers rights. And my husband turned 70 today!!! "Judges, the bench, the bar, even lawyers, they think it's not in a guy's DNA to be a stay-at-home parent . Than i ask why was nothing ever produced that she was going to school, they said its not our job to do that. This makes the assumption that the states dont already know their laws are draconian. But by law she is still entitled to get child support (tax free) even though she has a very successful career. Lets do more to fight this injustice. If I was still with the woman, and I was laid off for a period of time, would she, being in the same house with me, be punishing me for not having a job by billing me thousands of dollars more? also I am holding my revision of CS schedule (I Have custody) and am STILL responsible for 69% of CS (thanks in part to the 10% badbad father must pay baddad rule drafted under title IV-D of Social security act). Advertiser Disclosure. 4. I am agoraphobic now. For some people its worth it to be happy, but its not easy. You are only looking at it from your point of view . Some fall victim to illness, job loss, accidents, and disasters and other uncontrollable things. But on top of it all, she remarried into money. I have the kids now and have had them for three years guess who the dead beat is now, and she can afford to pay. Do you understand that? For his child support he is a child care worker, again he requested parent time with his 1st born and the court (a woman judge) told him he should be paying more child support (He is already paying more then the required formula states should be paid) so the judge told him to get a real job ( a woman would have never been told that!). I fought, but basically was told that it would be unlikely. There were many times when my husband went to pick up his kids, and either one or both of them wouldnt even be home, his ex having let them go elsewhere, even though it was his turn to have them. If money is the most important thing when it comes to raising a child then we should give custody to the parent who makes the most money. If I didnt find a roommate in time I would owe a lot of money. In addition, the judges and lawyers are all browneye buddies and the whole thing becomes nothing but a money grab. My family court judge refused and stated that Your [ex-]wife (NOT our children) deserves that money. When he called child support this week and essentially asked them to reconsider and/or issue a temporary license due to his situation they told him flat out that there was nothing they can do and he still owes regular payments even without having a source of income. And to top it all off he wanted me to go on a talk show in the 1990s. The whole system is punitive, if I lose my job and cant afford an attorney to get my payments reduced they threaten to take away drivers license or put you in jail. Its all spelled out in the Social Security Act Title IV, Part D, Section 458 Incentive Payments to states. regardless of which parent is custodial both have to pay for clothing, beds, groceries, healthcare, other insurances, school incidentals. I say we dont separate fathers from mothers in this battle for new legislation and justice. The suffering i cant bear must be worse for my kids thinking they were not loved Mind you, for. She said no. You rock! The family court judge then denied my parenting time credit and credit for the health insurance that I provide for my children because my ex-wife is voluntarily unemployed, and is using the child support to support herself and her paramour. In 1986, CBS produced a report titled The Vanishing Family: Crisis in Black America, which featured a New Jersey father of six who bragged on camera about not supporting his children financially. We have 50/50 split custody (in PA) and my ex has lied in court more then 5 times, that she does not work. The child support system needs to be abolished full stop. I tried to be Nice, I begged my husband to please give his kids time, love and support. 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